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SMB Capital

SMB is a privately held proprietary trading desk that specializes in day trading US Equities. SMB is recognized for its outstanding intraday equities training program. New and developing traders compete for an invitation to join our desk in Manhattan. Those invited to trade with us are taught the trading skills necessary to become a consistently profitable trader. We teach you a craft, the craft of trading. Our partners and senior traders collaborated to create the best intraday equities training program on the Street. You will develop trading skills that will enable you to profit in any market and for the rest of your trading career. Together we will help you recognize your trading potential.
 
 
 
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Good Blog And Firm
Their blog is good providing good articles helping to solve pitfalls that day traders run into and show how they trade ideas they have...
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Expensive, good environment
When i lived in NYC i traded with smb for a portion of the duration. comparably they have higher fees then most other props, from my opinion what you pay for is the environment. For me it did agree with the exciting appeal. However, like anything else it does get old. Their support is good, they do try to help traders, but when it comes down to it they are a prop firm and we know how they make money. If you want to get out of the house and trade with a fun group of people and have some cash to spare for that, go run over there and check it out for yourself. If you can trade on your own their may be better options for you, just always do your homework.

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too expensive
they charge 8k for scalping program and have high commissions, check out your options first.

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Heard good things
Have seen these guys on wall street warriors. Few friends at the firm and have heard great things. Hopefully will be joining soon. The interview process is awesome, looking forward to the stuff available.

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Good Blog and Stocktwits Videos
I have never traded with SMB but I like their blogs highlighting intraday trades and their videos describing what they are seeing in the market. I interviewed with them but did not land the job. However, the whole process was fair and professional and I never had any negative interaction with them, though it did take them a long time and some prompting to tell me I did not get a spot on the desk. Their office and traders seemed nice and from what I can tell they do not appear to be a rip off but those that have worked there can speak to that better than I. For me they are just one stop on my daily analysis of the markets and I like the product that they provide me

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one good trade - mike bellafiore
Mike Bellafiore do present himself and his shop very realistic in my opinion. He believes in hard work and being interested in what you do.

Their trading ideas are just ideas. During the entire book he keeps stressing the importance of cutting losses early. As he says, the alternative ends careers in this business.

What stands out to be is the way he describes different market conditions, and how to respond to them. You have to be dynamic and able to change your strategy all the time. I think many traders are looking for the one good trading strategy that will always work. In my experience this does not exist.

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Good blog and marketing but they are a CHOP SHOP.
They advertise/list 'jobs' and after the interview they inform you:

1. There is no salary. No exceptions.

2. YOU (the employee) have to pay $10,500 to 'cover training costs'. What a joke.

IF YOU HAVE TO PAY TO DO IT, IT IS NOT A JOB. IT IS A SCHOOL.

They take hardworking students, just out of college and needing a job, and charge them thousands of dollars only to see less than one in three stay for more than a year. It is a chop shop without a doubt.

Sure they may have some successful traders (in an interview Bellafiore said there are only 50 traders) but I bet you they get dozens of new students coming through every year. If each of these pay 5000 - 10000 for 'training costs' it means SMB is grossing six figures just by ripping off their new 'employees', most of whom are fired with no chance of getting back the thousands of dollars they put up.

SMB should be banned from Stocktwits. They advertise very well to make it seem like a place of employment but really they're just exploiting Twitter/Stocktwits by offering some very plain advice on their blog and milking the publicity to attract more students to rip off.

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These guys like others made their money during dot com boom
I love you new traders protecting your mentors. Have you ever time tested your mentors success. Do you even know when they made the chunk of their money and how well they are doing today. You just blindly follow them as if they are the jesus christ of trading. I can tell you with 100% certainty that if you want to make sure bets, then bet on the failure of just about every trader at SMB over a 1 year time span. O wait let me guess, they preach to you the gross positive theory first right? LOL, you know why they do that?! It's because as long as you stay gross positive then they collect all the commissions from the exchanges reaping thousands upon thousands a day. While on the other hand you made nothing but a green number on your screen. Let your mentors explain to you that side of the business. Then let them show you their monthly statements. They are all backdoor crooks.

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good training
they are known for hand-holding newbies. They are listed in the prop section but for prop their rates are very high they go upwards of $10 for 1000 shares, which creates a very difficult scenario for traders seeking profitability.

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let you use simulator
SMB capital is notorious for letting you use the simulator for 6-8 weeks before going live. This gives you the chance to learn the most before trading really $$ and minimize the mistakes made with read $. Others firms want you to trade live right away and only be on the simulator for 3 days or a week.

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if you're serious about trading
They have a really intensive training program. Plenty of documentation and techniques that provide a good background. Sure, they're an expensive desk, but if you're new to trading and want a thorough education, it'll cost you whether you learn on your own or with a prop. SMB has good experience. I can't speak for their PnL statements, or those of their traders. I can, however, say that I have visited their floor. They are have a well-equipped space and their program would definitely accelerate the learning curve if anything. They will give you a better deal on commissions and such if you can bargain yourself a deal, so it's at least worth a shot.

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