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VectorVest 7 needs improvement, the company isn't interested
I attended one of their 2-day presentation seminars in mid-2014, then subscribed to VV7 for a full year, real-time, cost about 1400Cdn$/year. I cancelled my subscription at the end of the subscription period, and told them why. Summary:

Overall I was impressed by what the program had to offer. I especially like the integrated perspective on market traded securities, combining fundamental AND technical analysis in an integrated approach; something I've been trying to mimic using MetaStock (and other tools) with limited success, for years (very laborious).

My VV7 implementation had all optional features except Derby (a tool that runs many trading systems against one or many securities over a period of time, to see which systems work best). Derby is the equivalent of "Metastock Enhanced System Tester", which I used extensively as a standard component of my MetaStock Pro v8 package (released in 2002), for many years. In my view, VV is of no value without Derby, and it should be included in the base package; not an expensive add-on. This is one of several observations I have which involve VV going to great lengths to market the base package, and after getting users interested, hanging carrots for them to chase more functionality. Very expensive carrots.

The VectorVest core application on Windows 7 is very well developed and stable, but it has some clunkiness due to a very slow upgrade and release cycle. Some of the clunkiness makes the software feel a little amateurish, and I find it surprising that its more avid and technically-oriented users don't make a bigger stink about it.

Data fees for VV7 realtime are pretty high. Plus, they have no way to address the obvious redundant costs that burden some of us who use real-time data on their actual trading platform. VV7 stock data is fed from their own database, so you end up paying for two live datastreams.

My suggestions for application functional improvement fell on deaf ears, including these:

1. Implement ability for VV to save the screen layout (workspace) and restore it on next startup. Some of us with multi-monitor setups use VV with multiple detached windows, and at times have a lot of stuff open while doing research, scans, and so forth. Each time VV is shutdown and started up, the user has to remember what was open previously, and repeat the steps manually as needed to restore the display to where it was. That can be a lot to remember and take a lot of time. I also suggested that adding an ability to save not just the current workspace layout, but to save multiple layouts, would be very helpful. These suggestions are based on my experience with Questrade's IQ Edge platform. IQ Edge does these specific things, very well. VV was partnered at the time with Questrade, and had developed a shortcut within VV that opens an IQ Edge trading window. So it seemed natural (to me) that VV should try to replicate what IQ Edge does with their window management since the benefits are so obvious. Answer? No. I was told I have to remove some of my votes for others' suggestions, or delete some of my own suggestions, because of the combined limit of 10.

2. Design the VV7 home screen with more flexibility, allowing better use of the screen real estate. There are components in the home page screen that some users don't need, and the goofy graphs take up way too much space. And some components should obviously be detachable so they’re in plain view regardless of which VV tab is open at any time.

3. Redesign VV's "improvement request" system, which last time I checked, restricts a user's submissions to a total of 10, including votes supporting suggestions made by others, and your own suggestions. This issue in particular is actually blocking user input so people cannot submit valid suggestions. The email and phone responses I received from VV support staff made it very clear that VectorVest is not interested in improving the product. They'd rather spend their resources delivering a steady barrage of repetitive marketing emails, and delivering the same webinars week-in and week-out, going to great lengths to keep customers "subscribed" and the revenue stream flowing. In this regard, VV seems to be managing their user base as followers of a ‘religion’, which is truly disturbing.

I had many more what I feel are legitimate and valuable suggestions, but VV isn't really interested in hearing about them. In fact, when I carefully reviewed numerous suggestions submitted by others, I noticed many of them are several years old, and quite a few have a high % vote count, but none have ever been actioned by VV.

One thing I felt was really a big hole in VV, was the architecture of their query engine. (I spoke with technical support on this issue but it got nowhere. Technical support can't add a suggestion to their system and told me I have to do it myself in their training section under 'improvement requests', but as I've pointed out here, as I did point out to them at the time, that's a dead-end.) Anyone who knows some SQL programming is familiar with pass-through queries. Results of one query can be passed on as input to another query and run in a single execution. VV doesn't know what this is. So you end up with a huge number of queries, many of which contain the same redundant conditional logic, but each with some added conditions. If VV could support pass-through queries, the user could implement all their "general case" filters to exclude stuff they NEVER want to see, and feed the results to subsequent, more case-specific queries. In doing so, you eliminate a lot of redundant code, and make the system more efficient and practical. I found it very surprising that the VV support staff had no idea what I meant when I suggested this one. The only suggestion they could come up with was to save the results of a query to a list, and then run subsequent queries using that list as input. This is horrendously inefficient and it should be easy for VV to script a passthrough query that runs completely in one click.

I encountered data errors from time to time, because the VV database isn’t always up to date with symbol changes or introduction, in which case I had to send emails prompting someone to look into things.

Finally, I have mixed feelings about my experience with VectorVest. Although I do see some value in VV7, in the end it was the attitude of the company and how it handles user feedback and suggestions, and the excessive focus on sales and marketing hype, to the point of appearing like a religion, that turned me off. This is not really in my view, a program for someone to risk their hard-earned savings on. I can honestly do better with ETFs.

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Ronvader Caledonia, ON

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Very good for certain investors
I have used VV for years.

Its true they cherry pick the results they advertise, but who doesn't? That should be expected.

Also, like someone mentioned, it's not really for day-traders or short-term traders in stocks. I have known people that used it to day-trade Index ETFs but that's it.

For longer term investing, maybe a minimum of 4-6 weeks, it's great at finding value and momentum. I have usually used it to find deep value small priced stocks (under $10 or so) in sectors that are starting to move higher. It can take weeks and even months, but the run does happen most of the time and an easy 25% or so can be grabbed.

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Scam
Not useful to anyone, Its a scam

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Great for entertainment, Not great for making money.
Hey guys,

I wanted to leave a review for Vectorvest so people dont make the same mistake I did and get a subscription. I have been a serious user of VV for over 4 years and have never made money. I always had hope and faith in VV but thats how they get you to subscribe. If you have seen their adds or flyers they always claim huge results for usings their maket timing indicators and high rated stocks. the truth is they will cherry pick stocks and backtests that did well in a certain period of time. They show stocks that they gave a buy rating to and went up 500% but they dont say that they gave a buy rating to 500 other stocks that did nothing. and all of their backtests fail live bucause the market changes and the statagy did not Their backtest data is very glitchy and inaccuate(stocks get deleted from the history data if the symbol chages or gets delisted)

Ive had poor dealings with the call center when i had a problem. I also did prove a glitch in their system that lost me money and they basicly said, software glitches sometimes, to bad.

As for their falmous market timing indicators, you can do yourself with moving average indicators..

Anyways if your want to make money then DONT SUBSCIBE TO VECTORVEST.

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too much info
Vector Vest platform has so much information that it creates more confusion if you are new to investing. they need to provide more simpler interface with less clutter.

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Stupid
In the market you need an edge.. IMO... vector is a stupid took.. Theres no edge here. and is not worth paying for. As you can see most agree by the highly mixed reviews

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Pretty good, but not for me.
VectorVest has a ton of info, screens, strategies,and commentaries. However I can't imagine that a daytrader or swingtrader would get much out of it. Charting isn't all that great. It looks like a good system for the longer term investor.

Their VST rating system in pretty cool, but by the time a stock is given a high rating, it's upside has already been reached.

There are just way too many strategies to follow, and there isn't good guidance for a new user.

I had no problems cancelling my subscription. The staff was very understanding.

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Great at grasp market trend
Had the software for 2-3 years. The best indicator is the market turning point. In terms of the strategies, you better pick the Conservative Group. I like the S&P 500 strategy the most. Their reviews daily or weekly is definitely helpful as well.

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lagging
The indicators that VV provides are lagging big time, once the stock has run than its recommended as a buy, the other thing is that its not in real time so it makes it useless in my books. There are some die hard phony VV users who claim that if you lose through VV than its your fault, how that can be when there is a clear BUY and SELL on their page?

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It is a good product if .....
you know nothing and don"t want to think for yourself. Their buy and sell signals are usually right. However, most of the buy and sell signals are for almost no brainers in my opinion that you can get elsewhere for free.

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